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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptics our own episode

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number 133 133 Richardson is here with

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you from Sydney Australia just getting

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over a wretched cold that really laid me

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low for a few days this week show is

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devoted entirely to the first skeptic

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camp here in Sydney Australia which was

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held last weekend a huge success and

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hats off to Jason Brown and the

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volunteers for putting it all together

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so most of the show this week is in the

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hands of Maynard who was running around

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like a man possessed with his microphone

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grabbing interviews here there and

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everywhere and that's followed by my

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presentation on what it means or what it

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takes to be a skeptic what you have to

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learn what you have to go through so I'm

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going to get a nice cup of lemon tea to

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help me soothe my throat beat the last

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dregs out of this cold while you enjoy

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here's my not spooky action at a

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welcome to skeptic am Sydney 2011 ever

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get to camp Australia well I've got my

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good underwear on today I tell you cuz

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it's skip d camp where a whole bunch of

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skeptics are coming together to do I

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don't know is it the skeptic camp like

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in an Adam West kind of way so

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everyone's going let us talk about the

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possibility of physics Roberts not quite

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the Adam West kind of camp that you

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think about more the barcamp kind of a

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thing this is where it came from

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originally barcamp is a tech thing a

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community conference where people just

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turn up and bring their own

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presentations and chat and talk and

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generally something for the grassroots

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skeptics this is such sort of a larger

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version of what you do in Newtown at the

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pub and this kind of is yeah the the

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newtown thing at the pub drinking

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skeptically which you should come to you

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by the way look hey look if it wasn't

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hundred miles away I would you have any

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time things really informal this has got

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a little bit more formality and we've

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got projector screens which is kind of

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good Wow and then what are you going to

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be talking today or you've just done

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enough for organizing the whole thing

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you were drained man i'm fairly drained

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but i'm all right i'm kind of a few

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coffees good if there's time the

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attendees should get the first slot but

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if there's a gap i'm going to talk about

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Scouts camp and now and get melbourne

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happening well yeah now what are you

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expecting today to see here that you

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more you tryna unearthed in the

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skeptical movement and sydney that maybe

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we haven't seen before well we want to

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give the people that don't normally have

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the coverage a chance to have a chat so

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skeptics maybe that haven't had got up

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in front of an audience before and

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talked and they might have ideas that

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they want to share and something that

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will never hurt maybe yeah we might get

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the same kind of stuff that we'd

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normally get we might not but that's the

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fun of it is there something you'd like

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to say people talk about here that

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hasn't been raised before what's the

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topic that you bury in the back of your

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mind again full gee I wish that I wish

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they'd get some entanglement talk going

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or that would be kind of nice a nice

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condime-- kind of a talk what quantum

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the quantum effect actually are rather

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than what Deepak Chopra tells you there

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that would be kind of nice maybe I'll do

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that for the next one um we've got some

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some nursing topics happening which is

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quite good we've got a

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get one on bipolar disorder and which

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will be really interesting and and some

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other jolly ones too now look I was

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talking to a critic of skeptics last

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night and he said look they always go

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for these power band things they scam

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things why don't they GU why don't they

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go and do something useful like you know

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go overseas and help the people in haiti

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or something like that which is a pretty

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long bow and what would you answer to

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that i mean i guess you know you're

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dealing with scams you're not yeah we

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how would you deal with that you know

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I'd say a lot of us do that already but

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we don't do it with a skeptics t-shirt

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on we just do that for ourselves and

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there are a lot of sort of atheists

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charities as well they do it you know so

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yeah we do we do that as well why can't

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we do both this is a problem for people

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but for me this is a like-minded

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philosophy a group with people with

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like-minded philosophy getting together

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for the day it is it is but also we want

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to kind of reach out and make the

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community more effective and more more

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thoughtful I guess ultimately it you

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know we are talking to the converted but

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we want them to go out and spread say

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after says you're going to give them the

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pointy stick to poke at people what's

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your what's your favorite target at the

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moment I know you're you're the avians

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always understand has been a major

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target a mine for a while but I'm

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probably homeopathy is still a big thing

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with the 10 23 campaign and just sort of

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general nonsense really you know I get

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annoyed at some of the stories in the

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media let that pop up about you know

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astrologers and this and then the other

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hey well you got work to do it's the

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beginning they have your family thanks

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now look but we're here at skip the camp

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and one of the skeptical people he just

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a great talk in there about stuff I

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hadn't heard of and I hadn't been aware

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of your adventures in the legal world of

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what we was at libel slander defamation

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know that Bobby you'd been what you've

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been taken to court for I was taken to

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court they claimed I was damaging their

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business by what I said about it and and

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how many times is this used to silence

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criticism of shonky or allegedly shonky

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products oh I think it's probably the

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standard way now because corporations

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can't sue for defamation it's what they

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say is well you've damaged our sales to

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open damage our reputation you damn it

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ourselves all you got to do is prove

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that they lost one sale the court even

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money award you a dollar damages as I

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forget about it you might be stuck for

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the illegal costs so in a nutshell

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what's the way to us avoid that in 15

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minutes a you covered your your story

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but what about us talking on the

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microphone you know what's the best way

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to avoid being in court with it with a

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unattractive barrister and it may be a

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unresponsive judge I think probably as I

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said in there try to bribe you've

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correct when you say things so don't

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make stuff up make sure you research

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before you speak about it trials it was

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possible to mention people's names I

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suppose although that's obviously

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difficult man if I start talking about

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telecommunications company Oliver

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persuade to adopt me I don't have to

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mention their name I'm not sorry up to

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some very well with office I think

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really is a matter of being careful I've

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made out of that I had been generally a

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little bit more robust in what I said

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then I should have been but no so now I

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just back off a bit but a little bit

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more careful make sure I'm right check a

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little bit more with stuff him I'm

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really worried about I might even ask a

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lawyer and just to give us an idea of

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the costs involved you mentioned a

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barrister how much is embarrassed to per

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day for this kind of thing if you get

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involved in it all right you could spend

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23 thousand dollars a day together a

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really expensive one I mean in a

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particular case i had about it was

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working arose more ice with a friend of

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mine but the solicitor still hit me with

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an enormous build they'd they had to pay

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for it was from major law firm the other

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side had a Australia's second or third

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largest law firm acting solicitors

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that's why we figured that they write

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because we knew what their prices were

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my loyalty and that's why they come up

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with this court of a million dollars so

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obviously it's affected

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what you say is a skeptic is if made you

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bit gun-shy about even firing a bullet

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in the first place no not really I just

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I'm just more careful about the way I

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citing and then I don't try to kid me

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inflammatory language down so mmm I will

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say no maybe that is not quite the truth

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rather than you are lying okay now

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what's the area that interests you most

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is at pyramid schemes and and what is

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the difference in a pyramid scheme and a

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Ponzi scheme by the way because a lot of

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people have heard of it well a pontiff

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screams a financial scheme where

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dividends and interest is paid out of

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the money that comes in so you've got to

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keep getting more and more people in to

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pay the dividends that because you're

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probably the the main deposits already

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gone that's right but you could raise a

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million dollars you're paying people ten

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percent you've got to pay out 100,000

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the first year that come if you aren't

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investing it that's got to come out of

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that money so you have to keep

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increasing pyramid scheme is essentially

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but there's a legal definition of

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pyramid scheme but what they are really

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is one where you have to bring other

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people into the organization that is the

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selling for you babe ring other people

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in they bring other people in and the

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theory is that everyone can make huge

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amounts of money the fact is they don't

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need something with this case they

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forced me to put a statement on their

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website on my website but how wonderful

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i was being sued how wonderful

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multi-level marketing was in Australia

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and actually said it was I forget the

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exact numbers never it worked out to 24

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hundred dollars per year gross sales per

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person in any of those schemes but they

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only get about two percent commission

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certainly is the average person working

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for a promotable marketing organization

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Australia DS going out every night

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showing the plan no annoying your

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friends and neighbors know wearing teeth

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getting your teeth whitened the book

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good and having a fancy car their

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average income is forty-eight dollars a

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year that's that's less than three hours

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the three hours the minimum wage is

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there a profile of a person who's

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attracted to these schemes that there's

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a profile the person who loves and get

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rich quick scheme I think there are they

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prosper these organizations in when the

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times are tough because they'll come

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along and so we can make you wealthy

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independently wealthy don't work for a

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boss work for yourself

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I was just after the financial crash

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there was a lot of those ads on telly

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for certain things like that yeah

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abertillery that the best known model

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magnum organization in the world when

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one of the founders died he was a 230

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first richest person in the world but

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I've been told by people multiple times

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with that but don't work for your boss

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don't make your boss rich make yourself

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rich wit his money come from that's a

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ninety-nine point nine percent of people

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who go into a multi-level marketing

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scheme actually lose money this

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particular scheme that I was talking

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about it was five hundred dollars entry

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fee you got one percent of the sale of

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telephone calls that you put through

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your systems that's a lot of telephone

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4,500 bucks pal so what I'm seeing is

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that people aren't doing any independent

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investigation of their own they're

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completely going on the on the pit on

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Corbin testimonial other side of another

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one there's an organization America

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called the Direct Marketing Association

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and I comment upon sage it's no board

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board addreg you look like a who's who

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of skeptics canners now they actually

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come out they purchased this enormous

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amount of money that people are putting

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through the schemes in Australia there's

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200 companies in the modular in the

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direct marketing association their total

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turn over the United States is I think

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about 10 billion dollars more than

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Cole's does it by itself in Australia

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now Cole's is operating in a contract

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coming of 21 million people one country

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so what 300 million people in the US 200

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companies attorney over a little bit

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more than cars but we've been told that

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every time we had the spoil to me are

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within five years fifty percent of

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retail will come through this now at

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won't but that's what people say they

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don't do the arithmetic they see a big

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number like I was told ha there's one

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and a half billion dollars goes for

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multi-level marketing Australia mr.

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Vitamix phone a thousand people

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yeah but there's not a lot of money when

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you divide it up see messages do the

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maths and mind or legal language both of

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us yeah that's right now is putting

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alleged in front of something helpful or

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not like an alleged scam artist an

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alleged liar does that actually help me

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I don't think so it's a you actually

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would hear somebody's news broadcasts

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well I'll use the word alleged about six

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times in the one sentence as they

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describe somebody and I'll show somebody

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who's actually arrested I don't know

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they crashed their car drank and I'll

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say the alleged drunk driver you know

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they're carrying this guy off and he's

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jolly Freda dragging on the ground cause

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he's unconscious I parent a lot of moody

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I think that it's correct I don't know

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whether it does am I like using it for

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humor value like the alleged comedian

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that's right yes so I don't know what

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about if someone says in my own opinion

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or something does that protect us or

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because you're only saying it your

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opinion yes you can that was going to be

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the approach that with Simon Singh that

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he was just he said this is an opinion

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be said he want to add in the fact that

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wasn't opinion it was fact but I've been

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the one things I did in this case with

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ice-t went back and changed all the

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pages my website we talk about people to

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say at the top opinion I look while the

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case was going on I would go back and

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make changes so any page on my website

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where i talk about a company or any

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organization or the link to their

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website actually always in the top that

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its opinion but just how boring as it

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being in court for something like one of

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these white collar things even even when

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you're that the subject of it is it

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really dull oh yeah and half the time

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the lawyers are talking to each other

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and the other thing is you all turn up

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and then I decided to put it to another

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day so we're all coming I think I set

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off the alarm of a security at the

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federal court six times out of the seven

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dollars i went there i just wanted to

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wake yourself up i do things like it to

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tell apart and putting matter what it

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was i got the point i just walked doing

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all stratocaster go with a wand and put

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my arms up you'd go in little sentence I

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oh look we're not ready to die then

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there's been 10 minutes looking at

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Diaries and then they saw well adjourn

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and went back in three weeks and so we

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all over in 10 minutes one more waste

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half a died out of work for me well

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maybe someone like you that's been in

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court can ask this question about Lauren

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or

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always got so and so and they've got a

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part stealing part 7 now what does that

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part means that mean it's a different

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day or what I don't know that that one

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is actually us the New York Supreme

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Court it's a room it in part 7 is the

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room and see if I use the room yeah but

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what there you go I'll never watch that

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show the same again thank you who have

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we got here that I was just very

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intently listening to in the small room

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and you only got the small room here at

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doe skeptic am yes so I'm Ian wolf and I

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do the diffusion science radio podcast

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and what are your qualifications it

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sounds like you've certainly spent some

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time in a room with a couple lecturers

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in your life I have a degree in applied

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physics and I've also taught in

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computing and look I was particularly

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interested in when you were when you

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were chatting about floor in there

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because I'm a few weeks ago I did a chat

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would professor Jamison in Melbourne

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about thorium and I found it very

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intriguing and and you haven't heard

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that podcast but maybe I wasn't asking

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the right questions as a layman because

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he's quite pro Thor I mean and that

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we've HAP should get into it what do you

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think of Australia's involvement in the

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potential thorium nuclear industry what

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thorium is interesting because there's a

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lot of money in thorium all the uranium

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mines are digging up thorium at the

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moment it's a waste material thorium has

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storage issues because it produces radon

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gas and because it's radioactive for

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billions of years like it's longer than

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any other radioactive material that we

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handle when you make a reactor out of

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thorium you're actually firing neutrons

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in it and transmitting it into uranium

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233 and you can also transmit it into

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plutonium 239 so it's the uranium or the

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plutonium that actually efficient and

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produce energy but they can also be used

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in nuclear weapons so it's pretty good

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for proliferation so would we would be

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no better off using thorium as a fuel

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apart from it's probably a bit more

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abundant it's way more abundant well for

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five times more abundant but I think

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would have major problems storing the

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stuff because of all the radon gas and

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the radio

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I'm what do you think people have

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suddenly taken an interest in it as I

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did because of what happened in Japan

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and thinking I was there a walk in at

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safer nuclear alternative and people are

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looking at that absolutely it's been

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pushed as a safer nuclear alternative

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I'm not totally convinced it is i'm

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still looking into what the reactions

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are that produce the waste because the

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claims are that the waist isn't as

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radioactive for as long or as it's more

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radioactive but for less time now you

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preparing a story on your podcast

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obviously you've got a lot of reading to

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do yet about how long before that story

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will come to fruition and again where

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can we find your podcast probably about

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a month before i've got that story ready

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and you can find diffusion on www fusion

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radio com and whatever advice have you

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got for someone like me who comes into

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these high-end science projects as a

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layman that even if I researched it I

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mean about atmospheric physics or the

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atomic physics and how do you show you

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approaches because i really have to

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accept the voice of authority there

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because under can't really argue with

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them one of the things is to look if

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there's more than one article on the

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subject what i found online is almost

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everyone points at the same new york

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times article and if there's any one

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source then there's a bit of suspicion

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and he mentions there's downsides but he

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doesn't he doesn't say what they are so

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you should always find out what are the

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downsides and where does information

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come from and who's going to make money

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from it so a little bit like a news

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story when you're watching channel set

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on channel 9 it's not so much what

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they're saying it's who's telling you

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sometimes it can be who's telling you

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and always seek out niall sources

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just before the lunchtime rush here I'm

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trying to get a bit of a chat into some

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of the Australian skeptics that selling

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their merchandise they've got their

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usual things here and the man holding up

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his sign allegedly claims to be Tim

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mendham ID him I believe I am highly and

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we get manner I'm pretty good now a

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house of merchandise been selling it

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because you know everyone knows that

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these strange cryptic sleeve and die

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completely on their merchandise

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absolutely that's the only way we

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survive this sucker selling like

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hotcakes we've got hot cakes over there

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so people are eating the teacher they

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are actually with a bit of fun I can say

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maple syrup on top of it something like

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that yeah now we make this event just

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you know you've been around the

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skeptical traps how to skip your camp

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skeptically size itself up as a

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skeptical event it looks pretty good

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actually is the first one they've had i

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think in certainly in Sydney and I like

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the fact that all the speeches are about

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10 minutes long makes life a lot easier

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actually then you get kept questions and

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things are looking pretty good I'm

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pretty happy with it what I've seen of

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it if I'm not out here selling con Cod

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cakes now you you chatting today yes I

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am actually I've got one after lunch up

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chatting on the media okay now as sort

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of partially a member of the MIDI there

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yeah we have a lot of difficulty

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handling science i was just talking

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earlier to ER to e in there about the

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thorium reactor issue which i did a

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story on the skeptics are not so long

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ago and people like myself who are

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skilled in interviewing and even if i

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read the background material on the

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physics involved in thorium reactors i'm

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still not going to get a grip on it and

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so how how can any media person be

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across so many scientific disciplines

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and come up right impossible basically

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you've got to rely on the talent you any

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of you I mean they're the ones who are

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selling their story to you I think and

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the F if they're not a good presenter

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they should be doing it that's what my

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speech is about actually that if you're

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going to put your foot in your mouth

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don't do it um one of the warning bells

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the preserve person is presenting to

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them that has coming to you with an

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agenda most of them do that if they keep

542
00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:09,750
wrangling the conversation around a

543
00:19:13,460 --> 00:19:11,130
particular area or towards a particular

544
00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:13,470
sort of topic and you notice talking

545
00:19:16,340 --> 00:19:15,060
points that's right yes talking points

546
00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:16,350
yes make sure you repeat the message

547
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:18,120
three funds that's what you're told in

548
00:19:21,290 --> 00:19:20,010
pln it make sure you get those can you

549
00:19:23,660 --> 00:19:21,300
have three key messages you want to get

550
00:19:25,730 --> 00:19:23,670
across even if they're not asked

551
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:25,740
never any more than that like can you

552
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:27,810
have five key messages like with a joke

553
00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:30,240
things go in through or fives is it an

554
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,740
odd number with messages as well have to

555
00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:33,360
be an odd number same the same as if

556
00:19:37,220 --> 00:19:35,880
you're describing something as big large

557
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:37,230
and yellow you've got to have three you

558
00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:39,090
can't have four you can have to go to be

559
00:19:43,370 --> 00:19:41,310
three well it's part of life's nature's

560
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,380
balance yeah what's what's the problem

561
00:19:48,290 --> 00:19:45,600
with having just one message in a story

562
00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:48,300
or something I mean this I mean knowing

563
00:19:53,450 --> 00:19:50,370
it's big tells me that it's a

564
00:19:54,740 --> 00:19:53,460
problematic thing it depends on what

565
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:54,750
length of interview you want actually

566
00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:57,330
well I mean well I mean that's they're

567
00:20:00,880 --> 00:19:58,650
selling like hotcakes and if that's see

568
00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:00,890
it that's the only message say goodbye

569
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:03,480
let's look at the typical story we might

570
00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:04,890
run on the channel seven on Channel Nine

571
00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:06,900
News the length is 3 to 4 minutes and

572
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:09,510
they'll lots of nice pretty pictures bit

573
00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:10,770
of stuff from the journalists and you'll

574
00:20:14,210 --> 00:20:12,660
probably get three or four grabs from

575
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:14,220
the new view subject no more than 15

576
00:20:16,940 --> 00:20:15,810
seconds long would that be free of

577
00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:16,950
programs are quite lucky I think

578
00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:18,600
actually um but the ones I always live

579
00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:20,370
on those some those photo programs is

580
00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:23,130
when bill blogs said it's a big object

581
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:24,900
and they cut to build blogs and chang

582
00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:26,730
him saying it's a big object and then

583
00:20:30,590 --> 00:20:28,230
they cut back to the story anything why

584
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:30,600
why bother doing that hmm yeah that

585
00:20:34,010 --> 00:20:32,010
happens all the time then it would

586
00:20:36,020 --> 00:20:34,020
partially that be because of people's

587
00:20:37,730 --> 00:20:36,030
attention span you're preparing them to

588
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:37,740
hear the guy say the same thing whereby

589
00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:39,690
if you just have the grab of him they

590
00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:41,580
might not absorb it I mean am I thinking

591
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:43,310
people are stupider than they really are

592
00:20:48,770 --> 00:20:47,010
probably to answer that Rupert Murdoch

593
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:48,780
every mother once said that half the

594
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:50,580
population is below average intelligence

595
00:20:54,050 --> 00:20:52,290
which is an interesting observation

596
00:20:55,820 --> 00:20:54,060
that's what he built his empire based on

597
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:55,830
yeah well you're looking out there

598
00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:56,970
people who I have trouble understanding

599
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,650
these issues yeah you're talking about

600
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:00,240
the guy paid a lot of money for myspace

601
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,610
but that's right that's right sure and

602
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,280
trench it has that gone rude thank you

603
00:21:08,450 --> 00:21:06,720
pocket money for him right absolutely

604
00:21:10,340 --> 00:21:08,460
and then what are you hoping will come

605
00:21:12,140 --> 00:21:10,350
out of today i'll be reading people who

606
00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:12,150
are new to the skeptical movement coming

607
00:21:15,620 --> 00:21:14,100
in are we affirming being part of a

608
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:15,630
community you want what's happening

609
00:21:18,830 --> 00:21:17,610
sociologically sociologically it's great

610
00:21:20,420 --> 00:21:18,840
I think what I've seen over the years

611
00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:20,430
and he or here i am talking like an old

612
00:21:23,540 --> 00:21:22,260
fart is basically that's okay because

613
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:23,550
you you know like me you look a bit like

614
00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:26,160
12 thank you I wants anything else about

615
00:21:29,570 --> 00:21:28,260
is basically the whole sort of movement

616
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:29,580
has changed over the years used to be

617
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,930
sort of basic you know so the magazines

618
00:21:34,820 --> 00:21:32,960
and things like that hard copy and

619
00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:34,830
communication was very limited that way

620
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:36,510
nowadays it's all over the place it

621
00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:38,010
sorts all the social media it's all that

622
00:21:40,580 --> 00:21:39,150
all that you know the blogging and the

623
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,590
facebooking that's what these guys do I

624
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:42,240
mean they're in there right now tweeting

625
00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:44,730
like crazy right and that spreads the

626
00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:46,860
message so quickly that it's fantastic

627
00:21:51,140 --> 00:21:48,750
it suddenly have become extremely active

628
00:21:53,540 --> 00:21:51,150
and activist organization what worries

629
00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:53,550
about Twitter not so much facebook but

630
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:55,140
its premise is it can be just a big echo

631
00:21:58,490 --> 00:21:56,730
chamber a lot of people saying something

632
00:22:00,620 --> 00:21:58,500
and no one really reading anybody others

633
00:22:02,150 --> 00:22:00,630
tweets yeah yeah I mean the number of

634
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,160
sort of tweets you might be following a

635
00:22:05,570 --> 00:22:03,840
sort of fun above what you can actually

636
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:05,580
set a read and fortunately most of the

637
00:22:09,650 --> 00:22:07,010
things on Twitter aren't worth reading

638
00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:09,660
which is handy filtering them out is the

639
00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:11,400
hard thing now what would be the ideal

640
00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:12,990
skeptical product if you could have

641
00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:14,430
something to table if this transcript

642
00:22:18,050 --> 00:22:16,110
it's in the ideal will the imaginary

643
00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:18,060
world won't be the killer skeptical

644
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:19,380
product you'd like to be a having

645
00:22:24,530 --> 00:22:22,050
Unseelie probably the head of an

646
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,540
anti-vaccination person that would go

647
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:26,400
very well get the charger before it

648
00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:28,260
bends food

649
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:30,030
well look i'm here with someone who is

650
00:22:35,150 --> 00:22:33,330
perhaps some the most divisive issue of

651
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,160
the day would have to be a cupcake cam

652
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:36,720
who've we got here and what's going on

653
00:22:42,770 --> 00:22:39,330
that table behind us my name is B and

654
00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:42,780
here we have cupcake care and a whole

655
00:22:48,050 --> 00:22:45,140
bunch of people have brought cupcakes in

656
00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:48,060
and everyone's going to try a couple and

657
00:22:52,550 --> 00:22:50,520
vote on their favorite right so maybe

658
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:52,560
you like is it a double blind kind of

659
00:22:56,180 --> 00:22:53,850
test is there a chance that we could get

660
00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:56,190
a skewed result from this I would say so

661
00:23:00,680 --> 00:22:58,770
yes we do have lots of placebo cupcakes

662
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,690
lying around as well little what so ones

663
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:02,400
that have got a bland taste of them all

664
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:05,970
um you look to perceive our cupcake is

665
00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:07,650
the one you want unique that doesn't

666
00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:09,240
make your battle it thinks it makes you

667
00:23:13,460 --> 00:23:11,550
either I'm how do you work I would love

668
00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:13,470
a cupcake that didn't make me fat but

669
00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:15,960
unfortunately I don't think we've

670
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:17,910
discovered that yet I think you can make

671
00:23:21,290 --> 00:23:19,890
them low fat and without much sugar but

672
00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:21,300
I don't think anyone bought them and

673
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:22,380
that company went out of business very

674
00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:23,970
quickly that's right you don't win

675
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:26,220
Cupcake camp by making sugar free

676
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,960
cupcakes well I hope I can talk to the

677
00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:29,760
winner later just just as an inside

678
00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:31,260
running what ones do you reckon might be

679
00:23:36,290 --> 00:23:33,900
looking good I'm really i've got my eye

680
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:36,300
on Ruth Ellison's chop Bailey's cupcakes

681
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,850
he is a monster is that the ones with

682
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:41,120
the huge smart is on top

683
00:23:45,310 --> 00:23:43,490
no the ones with the ones with the

684
00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:45,320
little 12 but the ones with the huge

685
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:47,270
Smarties look delicious as well it's

686
00:23:50,590 --> 00:23:49,010
really quite even look I'll get in there

687
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:50,600
and see what a few of the people think

688
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:54,110
thank you I'm now approaching the table

689
00:23:58,030 --> 00:23:56,170
there's a lot of people sniffing

690
00:23:59,740 --> 00:23:58,040
touching no one's spitting out the

691
00:24:01,450 --> 00:23:59,750
cupcakes as you would in a red one comes

692
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:01,460
excuse me sir no why have you chosen

693
00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:04,930
those in the cupcake camp competition

694
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:07,420
this has Bailey's in it you know

695
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,770
anything with an alcoholic kind of

696
00:24:12,670 --> 00:24:11,600
change I'm not getting an argument when

697
00:24:14,590 --> 00:24:12,680
that mutts the other one that looks a

698
00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:14,600
bit flattened and dull but that could

699
00:24:18,250 --> 00:24:16,280
that could have a great taste inside

700
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:18,260
visually visually and not the best buy

701
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:19,610
on the table by you know you've got to

702
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:21,410
give a chance Jaffa oranges are you

703
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:23,090
enjoy yourself there you're doing a

704
00:24:26,770 --> 00:24:24,650
double-blind test you're gonna like you

705
00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:26,780
know close my eyes when I eat it how

706
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:31,580
about thank you oh look I'm here just in

707
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:33,710
the empty lecture theatre where on the

708
00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:36,110
eye can see a bedraggled man half

709
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:37,880
dressed looking on the floor for coins

710
00:24:42,370 --> 00:24:39,730
to pick up that man is Richard Saunders

711
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:42,380
look looking for donations for the show

712
00:24:45,580 --> 00:24:44,090
which is how i am a known hi oh sorry i

713
00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:45,590
just saw a five-cent piece over there I

714
00:24:49,090 --> 00:24:47,150
thought I better grab it quick every

715
00:24:51,549 --> 00:24:49,100
cent counts for the production skip exam

716
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:51,559
it has made it now what what are you

717
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,610
what have you thought about have been

718
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:53,840
going on today I've seen you in the

719
00:24:57,130 --> 00:24:55,370
small room doing bit of moderating in

720
00:24:58,360 --> 00:24:57,140
there have we had anything left of Seti

721
00:24:59,500 --> 00:24:58,370
you know what I'm like I'm looking for

722
00:25:00,790 --> 00:24:59,510
the earthquake machine theory i'm

723
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:00,800
looking for some real crackpot stuff

724
00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:02,330
today and and we're just ain't getting

725
00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:04,280
it yet we've got Casey the wonder dog

726
00:25:08,169 --> 00:25:06,110
who's right there that that's true she

727
00:25:10,450 --> 00:25:08,179
is an anomaly as far as that as a guide

728
00:25:11,650 --> 00:25:10,460
dog go she's anomaly um she doesn't make

729
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:11,660
much noise but that's the problem you

730
00:25:14,770 --> 00:25:13,370
don't want to bark and we've got to

731
00:25:15,970 --> 00:25:14,780
stick the hi Steve how are you oh not

732
00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:15,980
too bad how are you may know pretty good

733
00:25:20,380 --> 00:25:17,929
now Casey's been behaving herself and as

734
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:20,390
it's lunchtime she's been looking at

735
00:25:23,410 --> 00:25:22,010
everyone sort of ham rolls like she

736
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:23,420
really wants one but because she's

737
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,130
working till you get home she got

738
00:25:28,780 --> 00:25:27,200
everything to he can't you know and she

739
00:25:30,610 --> 00:25:28,790
was when you were eating your lunch she

740
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,620
was laying down in front of me and I

741
00:25:35,020 --> 00:25:32,960
could see a tail swishing swishing as

742
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:35,030
she was watching going I would quite

743
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,530
like some of that under normal

744
00:25:40,620 --> 00:25:38,240
circumstances I'd see a dog and feed

745
00:25:43,380 --> 00:25:40,630
them but I know she's working today

746
00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:43,390
exert ham rolls excite and I can't this

747
00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:45,190
is the second day of my vegan challenge

748
00:25:48,510 --> 00:25:46,750
you see oh that's right so yeah that's

749
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:48,520
right so as well as teasing the dog i'm

750
00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:50,710
teasing mr. Saunders both saying we had

751
00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:52,270
a ham roldan know you're not a vegan

752
00:25:56,670 --> 00:25:54,550
nice to know oh you saw me I had a ham

753
00:25:59,070 --> 00:25:56,680
and the chicken roll I was very much a

754
00:26:00,840 --> 00:25:59,080
meat eater and look how actually is it

755
00:26:02,910 --> 00:26:00,850
going on the vegan diet it's only two or

756
00:26:04,740 --> 00:26:02,920
three days is it it's two days and it's

757
00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:04,750
fine I've only no trouble with it at all

758
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:07,540
although I cannot in all honestly

759
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:10,510
recommend a flat white with a soy milk

760
00:26:14,190 --> 00:26:13,030
instead of real milk but I've had that

761
00:26:15,030 --> 00:26:14,200
enjoyed they look last night I was

762
00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:15,040
watching a documentary on the history

763
00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:16,870
channel where they were talking about

764
00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:18,550
the end of Hitler's life in the bunker

765
00:26:21,390 --> 00:26:19,750
and they were painting him as in being a

766
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:21,400
very strange and unusual person which is

767
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:22,930
probably an understatement but one of

768
00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:24,370
the things they brought up was the fact

769
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,990
that you know he hadn't usual habits

770
00:26:29,550 --> 00:26:28,000
like he was a vegetarian that's not what

771
00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:29,560
of all the things to say about hitler is

772
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:31,270
in the negative I don't know if edit

773
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:33,010
Arianism be the first thing I'd bring up

774
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:35,050
and I don't think he he wasn't a drinker

775
00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:36,730
either I think he's a teetotaler I think

776
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:39,460
no there you go if they'd mentioned he

777
00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:41,050
was a teetotaler a vegetarian they go

778
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,870
well no wonder he lost the war was very

779
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:46,000
strange thing to bring up in a doc oh he

780
00:26:49,770 --> 00:26:47,710
was a vegetarian as being an odd thing

781
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:49,780
like it always being in our games like

782
00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:51,220
well you know he had some strange habits

783
00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:53,230
like he was a vegetarian yeah he did all

784
00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:55,270
those terrible things but today just

785
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:56,590
getting back today what a great success

786
00:27:00,210 --> 00:26:58,930
it's been so fun I'm talking later on

787
00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:00,220
and that's when the the day will go

788
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:01,990
downhill obviously it will all be in the

789
00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:04,840
audience I've got that gobookee stuff

790
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:06,430
like that so watch out for that I bring

791
00:27:10,530 --> 00:27:08,410
my own heckler wherever I go hmm and

792
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:10,540
i'll be talking about how to be a

793
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:12,250
skeptic yeah well lookie you got a lot

794
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:14,050
of grassroots skeptics he like you might

795
00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:15,520
get a bit of hub of the Moga well that's

796
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:17,020
what you think and people throw bits of

797
00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:19,450
paper at you or they could throw fruit

798
00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:21,700
at me or veggie vegetables and no ham

799
00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:25,630
rolls no cameras so um so if people want

800
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:27,070
to offer you cash to do other things for

801
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:28,740
a couple of days what are you up for

802
00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:31,090
making right to the skipping zone and

803
00:27:34,770 --> 00:27:33,190
offered to donate something towards the

804
00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:34,780
zone and ask me to do something and I

805
00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:37,180
will consider all offers I don't saying

806
00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:38,350
but I will do them but I'll consider

807
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,360
them that's cool look I have a good day

808
00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:41,440
there I'm going to get out there and

809
00:27:45,789 --> 00:27:43,060
just see if I can get some food the

810
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,799
doctors and taken away thank you may not

811
00:27:49,810 --> 00:27:47,840
once again I'm ruined someone else's

812
00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:49,820
lunch here at skip the camp who we got

813
00:27:53,649 --> 00:27:51,830
here thank you for that I shaggy I'm

814
00:27:54,909 --> 00:27:53,659
from Canberra Australia you were in

815
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:54,919
there you were in there chatting to

816
00:28:00,039 --> 00:27:56,450
people now what was your 15 minutes

817
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,049
specially topic I talked about the

818
00:28:04,299 --> 00:28:02,720
Middle East the media how media treats

819
00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:04,309
the Middle East conflict the

820
00:28:07,989 --> 00:28:05,860
israeli-palestinian conflict how

821
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:07,999
religion fuels the middle Easterner

822
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:10,850
conflict and how those kind of things I

823
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:13,970
drove me into skepticism and into well

824
00:28:19,210 --> 00:28:16,730
in being involved with the skeptics at a

825
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:19,220
halt so did you have time to get into

826
00:28:23,049 --> 00:28:21,769
the Libya Egypt and all that or there

827
00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:23,059
was the 15 minutes didn't have enough

828
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:25,190
time for that well I I can't really

829
00:28:29,289 --> 00:28:27,049
speak about the Libya and Egypt stuff

830
00:28:33,310 --> 00:28:29,299
because I wasn't personally involved my

831
00:28:35,379 --> 00:28:33,320
my personal story was how I as a soldier

832
00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:35,389
in the Israeli army went to the occupied

833
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,350
territories in 2001 a viewers seen some

834
00:28:45,099 --> 00:28:41,600
things and then went back to read about

835
00:28:47,019 --> 00:28:45,109
it in media which was two different type

836
00:28:49,509 --> 00:28:47,029
of reporting once said that I was the

837
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,519
most moral person ever and one saying

838
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,399
that I was shooting women and children

839
00:28:57,729 --> 00:28:54,559
and I knew that both of them were lying

840
00:29:01,979 --> 00:28:57,739
in and then I realized okay we need some

841
00:29:04,659 --> 00:29:01,989
some to be really really skeptic about

842
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,669
about anything the media says about the

843
00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:05,840
Middle East because I've seen it

844
00:29:11,499 --> 00:29:09,230
personally well how the media lies about

845
00:29:13,539 --> 00:29:11,509
what I'm doing that's an intense version

846
00:29:15,099 --> 00:29:13,549
of what most people discover with the

847
00:29:16,779 --> 00:29:15,109
media if there's a subject they know

848
00:29:18,909 --> 00:29:16,789
something about and I see it on

849
00:29:21,489 --> 00:29:18,919
television they go that's not right and

850
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,499
you've experienced that firsthand on a

851
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:23,600
personal intense level so do you

852
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:25,730
actually trust any media anymore at all

853
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:29,840
anywhere it's very difficult to it is

854
00:29:34,930 --> 00:29:32,570
very difficult there you see there are

855
00:29:37,450 --> 00:29:34,940
some media organizations that are easier

856
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:37,460
to trust but basically you have to take

857
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:39,710
everything with a grain of salt and I do

858
00:29:43,989 --> 00:29:42,320
prefer when journalist is showing both

859
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:43,999
sides of the argument instead of

860
00:29:50,060 --> 00:29:46,890
ignoring one side and focusing on just

861
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:50,070
on one side if I see a media report that

862
00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:52,890
totally ignores what could have been the

863
00:29:59,240 --> 00:29:56,580
other side then then I'm some alarm

864
00:30:01,550 --> 00:29:59,250
bells are going off so so who will be

865
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:01,560
supposed to get for a primary source we

866
00:30:08,030 --> 00:30:04,770
supposed to Al Jazeera The Voice of

867
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:08,040
America who we get to take all of them

868
00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:09,120
and aggregate them how you're supposed

869
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:11,190
to work it out don't forget Israeli news

870
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:14,790
as well and that even in within Israeli

871
00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:16,440
news you can go to different sources and

872
00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:18,750
get extremely different views I have my

873
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:21,270
favorite event of news from there who I

874
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:26,100
I can trust to have more I think

875
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:28,260
balanced view of the world and I'm

876
00:30:32,540 --> 00:30:30,570
really presenting both views of the

877
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:32,550
world but I don't think there is such a

878
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:34,250
thing and you need to talk to the people

879
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:37,980
on both sides of the conflict to to

880
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:39,960
understand what's going on I don't know

881
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:41,850
if you if you should go and ask Qaddafi

882
00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:44,640
for his point of view but I'm pretty I'm

883
00:30:49,550 --> 00:30:46,950
pretty confident that I know that news

884
00:30:52,220 --> 00:30:49,560
reports about that side of the story are

885
00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:52,230
pretty solid but otherwise yeah you

886
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,390
can't just assume that what you're

887
00:30:58,670 --> 00:30:57,600
hearing is the full story so with what

888
00:31:00,770 --> 00:30:58,680
happened to you was that was that a

889
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:00,780
wake-up call about the media for you or

890
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:02,730
had you been skeptical and pretty much

891
00:31:08,030 --> 00:31:04,890
trustful of general media before that

892
00:31:12,250 --> 00:31:08,040
well I was a I was a very mistrustful of

893
00:31:14,780 --> 00:31:12,260
media stories that didn't cater to my

894
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:14,790
preconceptions so if I believed in

895
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:16,020
something and there was a media story

896
00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:19,020
let's say from Al Jazeera order the u.s.

897
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:21,870
that's it that conflicted with their my

898
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,690
beliefs then I are now they can't be

899
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:26,640
right and they're lying and they're

900
00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:29,760
biased and then on the other hand I did

901
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:32,400
believe in things that were said in the

902
00:31:36,650 --> 00:31:34,590
media sources that is when they said

903
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:36,660
things that I my preconception and

904
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:38,520
conceptions that agreed with my

905
00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:41,700
preconceptions once i had that wake-up

906
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:45,960
call i started doubting it does those

907
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:49,290
media vendors who were feeding into my

908
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:51,240
preconceptions which I then realized

909
00:31:56,669 --> 00:31:53,350
where were not when up

910
00:31:59,070 --> 00:31:56,679
and when I'm watching CNN and they get

911
00:32:00,659 --> 00:31:59,080
the the two polar opposites like someone

912
00:32:02,490 --> 00:32:00,669
from the Israeli Defense Department and

913
00:32:04,529 --> 00:32:02,500
and someone from the Palestinian

914
00:32:06,330 --> 00:32:04,539
uprising and they're just going at each

915
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:06,340
other it's not really helping because

916
00:32:09,539 --> 00:32:08,350
and the person is not moderating it

917
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,549
properly there's that there's anyone

918
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:11,200
Bennett from that kind of thing cuz you

919
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:13,030
walk away going on both sides are pretty

920
00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:14,470
crazy and that's what you tend to think

921
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:16,600
sometimes yeah it's crazy i was actually

922
00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:18,850
interviewed to the scene and I by the

923
00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:21,340
scene and in 2001 in exactly the same

924
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,380
kind of what saying and put you in your

925
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:25,600
room in front of the camera you don't

926
00:32:30,330 --> 00:32:28,450
even get to see your your your opponent

927
00:32:32,250 --> 00:32:30,340
or the person who disagrees with you it

928
00:32:34,049 --> 00:32:32,260
was in a different city in a different

929
00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:34,059
camera and then they're the same boat

930
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:36,940
yeah yeah and and and then in the same

931
00:32:42,029 --> 00:32:39,850
boat you don't get an argument which you

932
00:32:45,149 --> 00:32:42,039
would have had if they both people would

933
00:32:48,210 --> 00:32:45,159
be in the same room and it's very hard

934
00:32:49,950 --> 00:32:48,220
to get the message across and I came out

935
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,960
of that feeling oh my god I got to say

936
00:32:53,789 --> 00:32:52,480
my piece therefore it's a good thing not

937
00:32:57,899 --> 00:32:53,799
necessarily good thing for the for the

938
00:33:00,930 --> 00:32:57,909
viewer to but it does allow people for

939
00:33:03,450 --> 00:33:00,940
come from opposing sides to to present

940
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:03,460
their view if there's a balance mediator

941
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,770
or the interviewer from from CNN for

942
00:33:10,049 --> 00:33:07,840
example and giving both sides enough fun

943
00:33:11,789 --> 00:33:10,059
to say the main problem with those kind

944
00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:11,799
of interviews is what happens if the

945
00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:13,990
person who was chosen by the

946
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:15,640
organization let's say Israel or the

947
00:33:22,919 --> 00:33:19,840
Palestinian is not is not as good as the

948
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:22,929
other person in presenting views so you

949
00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:25,570
judge based on the person who was

950
00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:27,580
interviewed not based on what actually

951
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:30,460
happened on the ground and that's where

952
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:32,260
the problem lies if you want to find out

953
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:34,570
more your experience with the Middle

954
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:36,130
East media what's your website or blog

955
00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:38,470
oh I I don't blog about those kind of

956
00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:40,630
things you could find out about my

957
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:41,980
personal history in the Middle East

958
00:33:48,659 --> 00:33:45,130
value google my name is shy soggy is h

959
00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:48,669
AI SI GI but then you need to emit a

960
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:50,860
certain microsoft product that i work

961
00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:52,510
with an i do blog about because

962
00:33:57,180 --> 00:33:53,860
otherwise you'll see a lot of technical

963
00:34:00,720 --> 00:33:57,190
articles so you may want to add to the

964
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:00,730
google search things like israel or army

965
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:01,770
or

966
00:34:05,780 --> 00:34:04,050
things like that look what do you make

967
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,790
it pretty national perspective what's

968
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:06,960
going on here today and I'll let you get

969
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:08,460
back to you lunch in a minute I'm sorry

970
00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:10,110
for tagging away yeah what do you make

971
00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:12,390
of that day here it's a fantastic it's

972
00:34:16,340 --> 00:34:13,710
got a good to me to meet like-minded

973
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:16,350
people and who are very inquisitive very

974
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:19,110
open minded and wanted to hear and

975
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:21,330
improve what we're doing in Australia

976
00:34:25,220 --> 00:34:23,700
from a skeptic point of view oh thank

977
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:25,230
you oh and at a very open mind and I

978
00:34:31,610 --> 00:34:27,540
someone's telling us to shut up so enjoy

979
00:34:33,139 --> 00:34:31,620
your day good day okay as is traditional

980
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:33,149
with any skeptical event I only talked

981
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,679
to Debbie singing during lunch breaks

982
00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:36,960
then I oh yeah always during well while

983
00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:38,580
I'm eating yeah the last time was it was

984
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:40,679
at ten there and now you've got this

985
00:34:43,340 --> 00:34:41,940
great thing going on here with people

986
00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:43,350
doing their own thing I'll I'm loving

987
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:45,030
the grassroots feel of this and I love a

988
00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:47,250
15-minute talk it's fantastic it's it's

989
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:48,750
fantastic i like the bite-size thing as

990
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:50,130
well you know sometimes the longer talks

991
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:51,570
you've you're drifting in and out

992
00:34:54,350 --> 00:34:52,950
especially if we've been having a busy

993
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:54,360
day and stuff from the the bite-sized

994
00:34:57,830 --> 00:34:56,520
15-minute format works really well the

995
00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:57,840
other thing i really like about having

996
00:35:03,440 --> 00:34:59,700
two rooms is that you can plan your own

997
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:03,450
day you know for every session you can

998
00:35:06,830 --> 00:35:05,310
you can choose which you want to see you

999
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,840
can build up your own personalized plan

1000
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:08,760
for the day and your day isn't gonna be

1001
00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:10,530
the same as the person next to you so

1002
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:11,700
when we get to the pub in the evening

1003
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:13,260
we've not all seen the same thing

1004
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:14,610
there's gonna be plenty for us to talk

1005
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:16,050
about and we've got cupcake camp going

1006
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,670
on right now actually the hell you

1007
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:19,440
swinging with the cupcake kmpl see

1008
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:21,060
you've gone for the the chocolate with

1009
00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:23,310
the small Smarties on top that's right

1010
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:24,630
that's one of our two contenders we've

1011
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,250
also got some baileys flavors ones in

1012
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:29,040
the competition here and cupcake camp is

1013
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:31,710
like barcamp little cakes we've got

1014
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,940
several contenders they brought their

1015
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:34,320
cakes along to enter for the competition

1016
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:36,780
I mean here we've got any acid in them I

1017
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:38,730
don't need LSD I was hoping for some LSD

1018
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:41,220
cakes um no but you could just take one

1019
00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:43,020
and pretend to be crazy ah that will be

1020
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:45,360
my excuse it about if a man who's going

1021
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,650
to notice the different ads right now

1022
00:35:49,850 --> 00:35:48,480
what is actually surprised you today as

1023
00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:49,860
apart from some of the great cupcakes

1024
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:51,150
are like what topics have been brought

1025
00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:52,560
up a lot of people mentioned being gone

1026
00:35:57,049 --> 00:35:54,630
get under the house I didn't expect that

1027
00:35:59,269 --> 00:35:57,059
oh I'm trying to think there's been a

1028
00:36:03,140 --> 00:35:59,279
lot of standard skeptical fair I've yet

1029
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:03,150
to be really blown sideways by any of

1030
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:04,950
the only halfway through yeah that's

1031
00:36:09,049 --> 00:36:06,990
true now we've got exciting things

1032
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:09,059
coming up and I keep finding that the

1033
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:10,380
other room it seems to have something

1034
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:11,910
really exciting going on i'm watching it

1035
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:13,890
on twitter because other rooms got a

1036
00:36:18,049 --> 00:36:16,200
different less of a lecture feel people

1037
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,059
feel more free to go hang on that's not

1038
00:36:21,799 --> 00:36:19,920
right and that's that's part of the

1039
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:21,809
barcamp thing is is the idea that it's

1040
00:36:26,269 --> 00:36:24,900
it's not just one way and you know the

1041
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:26,279
whole bar come skeptic aunt was a

1042
00:36:30,049 --> 00:36:29,130
response to how we could do things

1043
00:36:31,789 --> 00:36:30,059
differently from a traditional

1044
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:31,799
conference and what is it is a two-way

1045
00:36:35,779 --> 00:36:34,170
medium yeah so we roughly say 10 minutes

1046
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:35,789
presentation five minutes questions but

1047
00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:37,410
that's flexible and we've got people

1048
00:36:40,789 --> 00:36:39,480
shouting out you know is it something

1049
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:40,799
you want to see covered today that we

1050
00:36:43,549 --> 00:36:42,210
haven't covered yet I mean I want to see

1051
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:43,559
some chem trails brought up I want to

1052
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:44,940
see the earthquake machine mentioned

1053
00:36:50,089 --> 00:36:47,730
hasn't come up yet I'd like to see more

1054
00:36:52,579 --> 00:36:50,099
talk about the stop the avian as you

1055
00:36:54,529 --> 00:36:52,589
know us one of my hobby horses it's

1056
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:54,539
almost as if I get the feeling with the

1057
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:56,099
avian issue that some people feel that

1058
00:36:59,720 --> 00:36:58,170
that has been one and they feel they

1059
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,730
want to move on or all year we've done

1060
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,200
enough on that but that's certainly not

1061
00:37:06,849 --> 00:37:03,680
what you would not think that at all I

1062
00:37:08,779 --> 00:37:06,859
still think there's a long way to go

1063
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:08,789
it's going to be difficult to know when

1064
00:37:13,339 --> 00:37:10,440
to say mission accomplished I think

1065
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,349
we've already achieved so much the big

1066
00:37:16,999 --> 00:37:15,359
problem of the media granting her

1067
00:37:18,769 --> 00:37:17,009
automatic credibility every time there's

1068
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:18,779
a vaccination story that's over that

1069
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:21,420
battle has been won yeah I think for a

1070
00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:22,529
while there was just like they were

1071
00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:24,599
desperate to have an a so called other

1072
00:37:28,099 --> 00:37:26,460
side or show another side to it and

1073
00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:28,109
getting the false bias and you think

1074
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:30,299
that's been fixed and I think in the

1075
00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:32,460
case of the avian it has it's always a

1076
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:34,349
problem with journalists because they've

1077
00:37:41,299 --> 00:37:37,920
they're trained to bring bias sorry to

1078
00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:41,309
bring balance and to avoid bias but in

1079
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:43,230
the matter of scientific topics

1080
00:37:46,759 --> 00:37:44,609
sometimes around two sides of the story

1081
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,769
ken MacLeod from stop the avian gives

1082
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,720
the example of navigation and says why

1083
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:50,940
would you invite a flat earth for to

1084
00:37:55,759 --> 00:37:53,250
come along to talk about navigation just

1085
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:55,769
because it provides balanced and that's

1086
00:37:59,240 --> 00:37:58,140
the same thing with the avian I'll let

1087
00:38:01,640 --> 00:37:59,250
you get done now you're having one of

1088
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:01,650
the quantum cupcakes I saw earlier which

1089
00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:02,970
means that it may already have been

1090
00:38:07,230 --> 00:38:03,880
eaten

1091
00:38:09,299 --> 00:38:07,240
that is it's in a box and it's well it

1092
00:38:11,069 --> 00:38:09,309
is both eaten and not eaten at the same

1093
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:11,079
time and only until I observe it can I

1094
00:38:13,950 --> 00:38:12,430
know so that would actually be a real

1095
00:38:15,509 --> 00:38:13,960
case of having your cake and eating it

1096
00:38:16,499 --> 00:38:15,519
too because it's a quantum cake that's

1097
00:38:19,319 --> 00:38:16,509
what they've been talking about all

1098
00:38:21,029 --> 00:38:19,329
these King years now I know yeah the

1099
00:38:22,650 --> 00:38:21,039
quantum cake is one you can have a neat

1100
00:38:25,049 --> 00:38:22,660
too if only the listen if only

1101
00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:25,059
Schrodinger to bake cupcakes it would

1102
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:27,549
have settled this decades ago my brain

1103
00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:48,450
hello everyone I'm Sasha Pixley and i'm

1104
00:38:53,250 --> 00:38:50,140
here to talk to you about skeptical

1105
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:53,260
that's the 2011 northern california

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conference for science and skepticism it

1107
00:39:00,750 --> 00:38:58,630
takes place sunday may 29th at the

1108
00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:00,760
doubletree hotel in berkeley we're going

1109
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,200
to have some great speakers including

1110
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:04,960
dr. eugenie scott of the NCSE dr. Bob

1111
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:06,730
Carol creator of the skeptics dictionary

1112
00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:09,130
yau-man shan and mark edward from the

1113
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:11,230
skipped ologist and many many more

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00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:14,650
tickets are $45 or you can sign up with

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00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:20,370
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1117
00:39:43,290 --> 00:39:40,620
I'm going to talk a little bit about

1118
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:43,300
what it takes on what in my experience

1119
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:46,660
what's taken me so far to reach this

1120
00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:48,910
level of knowledge about the skeptical

1121
00:39:53,070 --> 00:39:50,980
movement and what we're all about now

1122
00:39:55,830 --> 00:39:53,080
there's no scale for this you know I

1123
00:39:57,570 --> 00:39:55,840
can't go to some University and get a

1124
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:57,580
degree which says I have reached this

1125
00:40:04,290 --> 00:40:00,060
level of knowledge and skepticism but

1126
00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:04,300
what I do know i'll try impart to you

1127
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:06,520
how I got to this stage and it may help

1128
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:08,020
you along the way so if you're going to

1129
00:40:12,060 --> 00:40:10,450
make notes this might be the time to get

1130
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:12,070
pens and papers ready because i'm going

1131
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,110
to mention some resources which I

1132
00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:17,200
personally can can recommend and have

1133
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:20,950
found very valuable the first thing is I

1134
00:40:28,490 --> 00:40:24,400
don't want to talk about is it's really

1135
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:28,500
difficult and it takes a long time to

1136
00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:32,050
get a certain level of skeptical

1137
00:40:36,330 --> 00:40:35,080
knowledge into at least know a little

1138
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:36,340
bit about the topic and what you're

1139
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:38,170
talking about part of the problem is the

1140
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:42,310
topic is wide and varied everything from

1141
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:46,000
aliens to zombies and you're a general

1142
00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:47,770
skeptic or a Media skeptic or a

1143
00:40:52,350 --> 00:40:49,720
spokesman for the skeptical of movement

1144
00:40:56,010 --> 00:40:52,360
or a spokesperson you're expected to

1145
00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:56,020
know an awful lot about an awful lot so

1146
00:41:01,050 --> 00:40:57,540
some of the things that I've found

1147
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:01,060
invaluable in my past 10 or 15 years

1148
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:04,990
getting to this level the books that I

1149
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,150
can sincerely recommend to you and

1150
00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:09,520
mostly by James Randi as it turns out

1151
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:11,980
now many of the articles I'm preaching

1152
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,630
to convert it somewhat i'm sure many of

1153
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:15,520
you know these books very well but we

1154
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:18,520
can start with flim-flam which is an

1155
00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:20,260
excellent book to start you off on

1156
00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:22,630
skepticism and my favorite part about

1157
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:26,440
flim-flam early we're at the end of the

1158
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:28,450
book there's all sorts of investigations

1159
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:29,160
which rain

1160
00:41:34,789 --> 00:41:32,490
pounce firsthand fascinating fascinating

1161
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:34,799
the way he set up investigations and

1162
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:37,049
tests into the paranormal flim-flam user

1163
00:41:41,059 --> 00:41:38,970
is a really interesting book and I

1164
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,069
sincerely recommend it the next one on

1165
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:42,960
the list would be demon haunted world by

1166
00:41:48,859 --> 00:41:45,900
carl sagan that can get your blood

1167
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:48,869
boiling and there's an amazing chapter

1168
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:50,700
they're carl sagan's intervenes

1169
00:41:56,839 --> 00:41:54,240
in chapter on witchcraft and witch

1170
00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:56,849
burning and things like this frightening

1171
00:42:02,420 --> 00:41:59,700
but it shows you what happens when

1172
00:42:05,809 --> 00:42:02,430
belief takes over from rationality it's

1173
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:05,819
really worth reading more books by James

1174
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:07,710
training the mask of Nostradamus is a

1175
00:42:11,299 --> 00:42:09,480
great book because it shows you how

1176
00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:11,309
Randy ghost about it goes about

1177
00:42:15,859 --> 00:42:14,099
investigating these claims and it's a

1178
00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:15,869
wonderful example of someone who's not

1179
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:17,430
an armchair skeptic saying this is

1180
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:19,710
rubbish I think this is rubbish here's

1181
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:22,950
my book he went to extraordinary lengths

1182
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:25,619
to investigate the claims of Nostradamus

1183
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:27,630
and Nostradamus himself his history he

1184
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:29,220
went to France he did all this sort of

1185
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:31,140
thing so he could get the best possible

1186
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:34,170
book and it's a good lesson for us all

1187
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,230
and how do I look at these things

1188
00:42:41,299 --> 00:42:38,880
another book he wrote as the truth about

1189
00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:41,309
Yuri Geller which again is a good

1190
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:43,950
investigative investigation into

1191
00:42:48,859 --> 00:42:47,130
Eureka's don't forget in the day he was

1192
00:42:51,859 --> 00:42:48,869
the man he was the most important

1193
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:51,869
paranormal alternative explanation

1194
00:42:58,990 --> 00:42:55,140
otherworldly figure in the world you

1195
00:43:01,400 --> 00:42:59,000
can't underestimate how how amazingly

1196
00:43:05,299 --> 00:43:01,410
significant this man's impact was on the

1197
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:05,309
times in the 1970s and the other book I

1198
00:43:12,049 --> 00:43:08,460
could sincerely recommend and a book

1199
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:12,059
that I referred to often and and I've

1200
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:15,720
got my reading listerine yet again is

1201
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:18,960
the full facts book of cold reading by

1202
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:22,170
Ian Rowland now if you want to know of

1203
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:23,630
anybody ever ask you how does

1204
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:25,770
unfortunately I went to a psychic and

1205
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:28,770
she knew all about me etc etc etc the

1206
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:30,420
worst thing you can do is say something

1207
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:32,609
like oh yeah well they're not really you

1208
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:33,850
know they use funny language

1209
00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:36,720
or something like that it's a

1210
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:38,860
fascinating voyage into psychology

1211
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:42,130
called reading and one of my notes i'll

1212
00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:44,770
get to in a moment is having making sure

1213
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:46,030
that if you want to be a good skeptic

1214
00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:48,490
you go and get your readings done on

1215
00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:50,680
yourself the more you do that the more

1216
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:52,780
you learn that the psychology of it i

1217
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:56,110
sincerely recommend that you buy a copy

1218
00:44:01,020 --> 00:43:58,210
or at least read a copy or borrow steal

1219
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,030
a copy of cosmos by carl sagan it's a

1220
00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:04,240
wonderful background and general science

1221
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,350
and the skeptical rational thinking it's

1222
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:10,240
hardly dated I've got it's like Flynn

1223
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:12,970
for the coloring book I read it again i

1224
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:16,030
watch cosmos again it's the message is

1225
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:18,490
still still rings true oh so so some of

1226
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:20,050
the facts of change of course science

1227
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,140
progresses but the basic history

1228
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,920
understanding is very sound other

1229
00:44:30,060 --> 00:44:28,000
documentaries you might look at at james

1230
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:30,070
randi in australia where you test the

1231
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:32,590
water diviners and certainly recommend

1232
00:44:37,650 --> 00:44:35,110
that and I think that's still available

1233
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:37,660
online on Tim mendham at the front can

1234
00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:41,650
help you out there the secrets of the

1235
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:43,750
psychics another one where James Randi

1236
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:45,730
travels to Russia is a very good

1237
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:48,130
documentary secrets of the psychics and

1238
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:52,330
I think that's available online and but

1239
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:55,810
now so saying it's very important to to

1240
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,910
know all that especially the psychology

1241
00:45:03,450 --> 00:44:59,760
of cold reading and things like that but

1242
00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:03,460
it's really important that you read or

1243
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:07,240
look at or listen to stuff from the

1244
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:09,970
other side I can't stress this enough

1245
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:13,330
and what I'm going to do to win this

1246
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:17,050
talk presently is I'll just review if

1247
00:45:20,730 --> 00:45:18,640
some of the notes I'm doing at the

1248
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:20,740
moment I'm watching a lecture on the

1249
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:23,530
homeopathic vaccination and it's

1250
00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:25,450
mind-numbing but it's a really important

1251
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:29,020
that I do it I have a vast collection

1252
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:32,350
personal video collection thousands of

1253
00:45:37,470 --> 00:45:35,050
hours of this sort of stuff crop circle

1254
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:37,480
documentaries you have to sit through

1255
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:39,310
them and you hear the explanations they

1256
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:44,050
give New Age lectures it's it's hard to

1257
00:45:48,849 --> 00:45:45,980
sit through but you have to do it

1258
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:48,859
UFO documentaries and particularly from

1259
00:45:54,690 --> 00:45:51,770
the 1970s they're they're particularly

1260
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:54,700
interesting because what they say is

1261
00:46:00,220 --> 00:45:57,770
basically any day now the world's on the

1262
00:46:04,570 --> 00:46:00,230
verge we're just about to find out this

1263
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:04,580
is it and it's never happened but it's

1264
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,170
good to see what the thinking was at the

1265
00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:08,720
time anti-vaccination documentaries and

1266
00:46:15,790 --> 00:46:11,230
talks and as we said homeopathic

1267
00:46:18,220 --> 00:46:15,800
lectures I also you also learn about how

1268
00:46:19,930 --> 00:46:18,230
they get to their conclusions why do

1269
00:46:22,090 --> 00:46:19,940
they think the things they think and if

1270
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:22,100
somebody asked me about how to sew me up

1271
00:46:25,870 --> 00:46:23,930
at the work or seem to work at least I'd

1272
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:25,880
know more than the average person

1273
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:28,070
because I've seen the damn documentaries

1274
00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:30,050
that they put out themselves which shows

1275
00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:33,020
me their thinking now getting out there

1276
00:46:36,580 --> 00:46:34,790
is a skeptic as I said before it's very

1277
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:36,590
important if you do things like if you

1278
00:46:39,580 --> 00:46:37,490
want to know what you're talking about

1279
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:39,590
you have readings you go to psychics or

1280
00:46:43,630 --> 00:46:41,090
people claiming psychic power and

1281
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:43,640
they'll do a reading on you you to learn

1282
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:46,130
on awful lot every time someone doesn't

1283
00:46:49,810 --> 00:46:48,350
really on me or cancer horoscope I

1284
00:46:51,849 --> 00:46:49,820
learned more and more about the way

1285
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:51,859
their mind works very important I've

1286
00:46:56,890 --> 00:46:53,690
gone to haunted houses and ghost

1287
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,900
investigations ghost tours it's can be

1288
00:47:01,060 --> 00:46:58,640
frivolous but again I learn something

1289
00:47:03,099 --> 00:47:01,070
every time I do it and as many of you

1290
00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:03,109
might know I frequently go to vine body

1291
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:06,950
wallet shows dragging people like Joe

1292
00:47:13,060 --> 00:47:11,090
Benna me with me now again i've been

1293
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:13,070
i've been in sydney i've been going for

1294
00:47:21,460 --> 00:47:19,970
ten years twice a year but every now and

1295
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:21,470
then we will bust someone will find

1296
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:23,330
someone with an outrageous fraud or

1297
00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:25,130
making a terrible claim and well at

1298
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:26,990
least we can try to do something about

1299
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:30,890
it so one of the things that really

1300
00:47:37,950 --> 00:47:34,690
annoy me i must say in this journey and

1301
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:37,960
i don't i don't claim to know everything

1302
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:40,490
there is to know about what we do i mean

1303
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,890
nobody can i learned as much as I can

1304
00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:44,960
and I've still got a lot to learn I

1305
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:46,460
guess I've reached a certain level

1306
00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:48,710
that's because I've been devoted to the

1307
00:47:56,830 --> 00:47:52,190
subject for the past 10 or so years what

1308
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:56,840
gets to me is when people say engage in

1309
00:48:03,400 --> 00:47:58,740
a conversation an argument

1310
00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:03,410
I was the world's biggest skeptic but

1311
00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:06,300
it's it's surprising half when people

1312
00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:09,150
say that to me as if that's it they've

1313
00:48:14,540 --> 00:48:10,830
won the argument cuz they were like me

1314
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:14,550
they were a skeptic you see I've just

1315
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:16,230
recently I've just thought of a comeback

1316
00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:18,330
to that especially in public if people

1317
00:48:22,340 --> 00:48:20,070
say that I look at them said really i

1318
00:48:26,330 --> 00:48:22,350
don't see you at the meetings present

1319
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:26,340
person i was the world's biggest skeptic

1320
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:28,380
or i am the world or my husband he was

1321
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:30,060
the world's biggest skeptic but he went

1322
00:48:37,940 --> 00:48:34,530
to my psychic and so on so forth again

1323
00:48:40,850 --> 00:48:37,950
it's all it's an ongoing process you

1324
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,860
must give equal time I think to learning

1325
00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:43,440
basic science basic scientific

1326
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:45,390
disciplines how the world really works

1327
00:48:52,310 --> 00:48:49,560
and basic physics helps the conservation

1328
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:52,320
of energy and stuff you can it can help

1329
00:48:58,700 --> 00:48:55,530
you in these matters but also sitting

1330
00:49:01,310 --> 00:48:58,710
through these long documentaries these

1331
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,320
books from the other side which are

1332
00:49:07,460 --> 00:49:03,420
completely from the other side which pay

1333
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:07,470
no mind to you know what we call sign

1334
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some reason now as I said before

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00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:13,619
currently I am reviewing the DVD from

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00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:16,200
homeopathy plus this Joe mentioned

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00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:19,680
earlier this DVD is called how the

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00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:21,900
opposite for health and immunisation

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00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:25,970
plus the treatment of vaccine damage

1340
00:49:32,090 --> 00:49:29,490
homeopathy plus are in league hand in

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00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:32,100
glove with the Australian vaccination

1342
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:35,609
network and indeed this video of an hour

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00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:37,230
and a half of whatever it is is if

1344
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:39,690
there's another DVD you can sort of get

1345
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:41,730
on the same page which is Meryl Dorie

1346
00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:45,710
giving her so their hand in blood the

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00:49:51,370 --> 00:49:48,300
vaccination people are a big upon the

1348
00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:51,380
Australian homeopathy plus people

1349
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:54,030
totally side with Meryl during vaccines

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00:50:02,060 --> 00:49:58,770
are bad and evil so page 1 of notes page

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00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:02,070
to page three this time coding this is

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00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,590
just absolutely vital that someone sit

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00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:07,680
down and note all their statements they

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00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:09,930
make do some research and then we can

1355
00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:11,099
hopefully have some

1356
00:50:13,579 --> 00:50:12,390
to come back with them through the

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00:50:15,469 --> 00:50:13,589
government or whatever because they're

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00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:15,479
flogging this on their website still for

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00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:18,420
twelve dollars fifty all right just a

1360
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:21,690
few notes and I've learned so much by

1361
00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:23,220
watching this thing it's hard going but

1362
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:24,150
at least I've learned something from

1363
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:26,460
this is just my notes as I've written

1364
00:50:30,499 --> 00:50:28,170
them I've haven't formally written them

1365
00:50:32,839 --> 00:50:30,509
yet this is part of the do no harm

1366
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:32,849
initiative homeopathy can be used to

1367
00:50:38,029 --> 00:50:35,099
help with vaccine damage homie up that

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00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:38,039
he can treat serious problems disease is

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00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:41,339
a disturbance of the bio energy of the

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body I couldn't help unavailability of

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00:50:51,979 --> 00:50:48,239
Star Wars they honestly think there's a

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00:50:56,359 --> 00:50:51,989
force within us which homeopathy talks

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00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:56,369
to which heals the body my next note

1374
00:51:03,289 --> 00:51:01,440
says babble babble sometimes it just

1375
00:51:07,489 --> 00:51:03,299
really is battle they go on and on about

1376
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:07,499
the law of similars which is that the in

1377
00:51:13,579 --> 00:51:10,890
homeopathy if something can cause a

1378
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,589
symptom it can treat a symptom not in

1379
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:15,599
other words if you have a high fever

1380
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:17,640
well what causes you to sweat hot

1381
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,099
peppers all right we'll give you hot

1382
00:51:29,019 --> 00:51:22,559
peppers and that completes your fever

1383
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:29,029
and it's all based on the energy of the

1384
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:32,339
peppers or whatever it is sir cast and

1385
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:33,569
shaken and you I think you will know

1386
00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:34,890
about that process so we're talking

1387
00:51:40,219 --> 00:51:38,099
about the energy imprint in the water

1388
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:40,229
when consumed we'll talk to your body's

1389
00:51:46,459 --> 00:51:43,920
energy field which will fix your

1390
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:46,469
problems and also more importantly from

1391
00:51:51,799 --> 00:51:49,049
homeopathy plus point of view it will

1392
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:51,809
protect you against disease it will

1393
00:51:56,690 --> 00:51:54,180
vaccinate you they make absolutely no

1394
00:51:58,700 --> 00:51:56,700
bones about this there's no two ways

1395
00:52:02,569 --> 00:51:58,710
that you can read this from their

1396
00:52:04,969 --> 00:52:02,579
lecture you can take yourself and your

1397
00:52:09,229 --> 00:52:04,979
children from harmful contagious

1398
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:09,239
diseases with homeopathy it will go into

1399
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:11,339
your body it will talk to your body's

1400
00:52:17,660 --> 00:52:14,130
energetic bio field and protect your

1401
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:17,670
body from the disease which you only get

1402
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:20,910
sick because the disease will alter your

1403
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:24,570
force in your body your bio field your

1404
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:26,310
energy medicine and I keep harping on

1405
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:29,220
about it's all energy medicine in fact

1406
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,220
they say here she goes on well of course

1407
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:34,800
scientists have a problem with

1408
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:36,180
homeopathy when they look through their

1409
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:37,800
microscopes because they're looking for

1410
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,410
chemicals homeopathy works on energy so

1411
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:45,480
I'm up so it's an hour half leg drum up

1412
00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:49,200
to the 54 minute mark they talk about

1413
00:52:53,780 --> 00:52:51,150
studies which is good because at least I

1414
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:53,790
can look up those studies they talk

1415
00:52:59,090 --> 00:52:56,310
about the fact that homeopathic

1416
00:53:02,650 --> 00:52:59,100
vaccinations can be made from the blood

1417
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:02,660
or saliva of somebody with the disease

1418
00:53:09,860 --> 00:53:07,650
so if someone's got polio and they spit

1419
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:09,870
into a jar and yousuck us that you can

1420
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:11,910
get the energy of the polio then you can

1421
00:53:17,090 --> 00:53:13,890
give that sugar pill to some to a child

1422
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:17,100
and then the body will take care of the

1423
00:53:23,810 --> 00:53:20,940
rest it's look for the most part being a

1424
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:23,820
skeptic is good i really enjoyed i mean

1425
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:25,740
i have an awful lot of fun i mean the

1426
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:27,960
most incredible people that you could

1427
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,490
ever hope to meet the most wonderful

1428
00:53:33,590 --> 00:53:31,440
scientists and entertainers and all

1429
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:33,600
sorts of things in the world but to earn

1430
00:53:38,990 --> 00:53:36,750
those stripes for me at any rate is the

1431
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:39,000
hard yards of going out investigating

1432
00:53:45,050 --> 00:53:42,300
firsthand reading the literature trying

1433
00:53:48,590 --> 00:53:45,060
to understand it and sitting through and

1434
00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:48,600
reading what the other side put out have

1435
00:53:54,050 --> 00:53:51,150
to say how they justify their thinking

1436
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:54,060
so if you want to get far in this this

1437
00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:57,510
this skeptical thinking be prepared to

1438
00:54:02,810 --> 00:54:00,780
sit down and do that podcasts are good

1439
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:02,820
way to do that too don't underestimate

1440
00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:04,920
podcasts kept toy to the podcast

1441
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:06,750
skeptics guide to the universe that sort

1442
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:08,910
of thing thank you and I think we've got

1443
00:54:32,810 --> 00:54:21,090
yeah how do you prevent the tactics used

1444
00:54:38,910 --> 00:54:34,890
i'm not really sure how to answer that

1445
00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:38,920
question are knowing knowing good basic

1446
00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:41,020
science and grounding yourself and can

1447
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:43,900
help a lot because when someone puts

1448
00:54:49,470 --> 00:54:45,540
something to you that sounds absolutely

1449
00:54:51,090 --> 00:54:49,480
true but from your research and

1450
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,100
knowledge of basic science you know it

1451
00:54:55,890 --> 00:54:53,920
can't be like it contravenes the laws of

1452
00:54:57,930 --> 00:54:55,900
inverse squares or the conservation of

1453
00:55:00,210 --> 00:54:57,940
energy or whatever that's a good that's

1454
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:00,220
good even even if it sometimes I'll hear

1455
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:01,690
something and I just don't know I

1456
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:03,850
honestly don't know can that be true or

1457
00:55:09,210 --> 00:55:07,480
can you know what's the case and I think

1458
00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:09,220
Tim mendham their ears was saying

1459
00:55:12,510 --> 00:55:10,870
earlier if you don't know the best thing

1460
00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:12,520
is to say you don't know i'll try to

1461
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,140
find out something like that but yeah

1462
00:55:18,510 --> 00:55:16,720
sometimes it's difficult yeah knowing

1463
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:18,520
what you know that without cold reading

1464
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:25,570
and honestly I never lie but I don't

1465
00:55:30,780 --> 00:55:28,720
give anything away and as soon as they

1466
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:30,790
start asking me questions I might even

1467
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:34,330
say you're just you're asking me you're

1468
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:39,810
asking me you know the front on it I

1469
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:42,850
don't put a front on that will ever

1470
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:46,690
everyone knows who I am because I got

1471
00:55:50,850 --> 00:55:49,390
from the one exactly like I if I have a

1472
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:50,860
reading which doesn't happen often these

1473
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:53,770
days i mean i cant pretend to be fred

1474
00:55:58,350 --> 00:55:55,500
smith from down the street you know

1475
00:56:01,020 --> 00:55:58,360
plano i'm who i am but i never i never

1476
00:56:02,730 --> 00:56:01,030
dishonest in them you know I just I just

1477
00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:02,740
hold them to account I say if you're

1478
00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:05,560
using psychic powers didn't I expect you

1479
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:07,480
to tell me statements not not asking

1480
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:09,690
questions about this out of the other

1481
00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:12,610
what what's your good one stop

1482
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:14,680
all-purpose woo collector if you've got

1483
00:56:18,570 --> 00:56:16,330
to go to one spot to get it like what

1484
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:18,580
one podcast would you recommend

1485
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:21,130
21 book is the one we ate a little time

1486
00:56:25,350 --> 00:56:22,720
our weekly basis what's the best podcast

1487
00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:25,360
to get yes to get the other side is

1488
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:29,230
there one a podcast what I that's you've

1489
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:30,610
got me there i don't know about a

1490
00:56:36,830 --> 00:56:34,450
podcasting whoo podcast the one stop

1491
00:56:40,620 --> 00:56:36,840
shop for ruin general is the mind body

1492
00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:40,630
spirit yeah absolutely you spend two

1493
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:41,980
hours there you've got enough wood for

1494
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:48,160
the last year the next six months I'll

1495
00:56:52,410 --> 00:56:50,110
never magazine thank you yes I wasn't

1496
00:56:54,690 --> 00:56:52,420
thinking Nova magazine and new dawn I

1497
00:56:58,110 --> 00:56:54,700
think it's called you doing free

1498
00:56:59,730 --> 00:56:58,120
magazines you find outside of the health

1499
00:57:01,560 --> 00:56:59,740
food stores or something absolutely

1500
00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:01,570
that's one of the things I should have

1501
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:03,880
written on an invaluable resource I get

1502
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:05,470
mine every month when it comes out and I

1503
00:57:13,220 --> 00:57:06,640
sit through and I look through to see

1504
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:15,300
skeptical I've been in to be a base camp

1505
00:57:33,370 --> 00:57:22,030
again yes and me and I think that's our

1506
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:36,320
hey bro hey room what's this message you

1507
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:38,010
sent me about a million dollars skeptic

1508
00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:39,450
bros don't come and finally cracked it a

1509
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:40,920
detection device that will prove the

1510
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:43,290
existence the paranormal what let me

1511
00:57:49,730 --> 00:57:47,160
assure you hey help why are we in a

1512
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:49,740
cupboard check it out a new placebo van

1513
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:53,610
and it's glowing yes in the dark that's

1514
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:55,890
when the ghosts are about we're gonna

1515
00:58:00,440 --> 00:57:58,170
win Randy's million dollars I'm going

1516
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:00,450
home let me out can't grab it only opens

1517
00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:06,330
from the outside go to skeptic boobs get

1518
00:58:21,730 --> 00:58:09,000
a glow in the doxy bulb and where you

1519
00:58:27,110 --> 00:58:24,410
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1520
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:27,120
zone I'm sure my colds almost gone by

1521
00:58:31,310 --> 00:58:29,640
now coming up on next week's show a few

1522
00:58:33,350 --> 00:58:31,320
more little snippets and clippings from

1523
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:33,360
skeptic camp I couldn't squeeze into

1524
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:35,910
this week's show so if you didn't hear

1525
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:37,650
yourself and you know that may not

1526
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:40,110
interviewed you fear not it should be

1527
00:58:45,860 --> 00:58:43,410
coming up on next week's show and also I

1528
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:45,870
hope oh I hope sincerely hope that we

1529
00:58:51,050 --> 00:58:48,420
have the think tank back again was going

1530
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:51,060
to have it this week but illness got in

1531
00:58:57,860 --> 00:58:55,130
the way so fingers crossed knock on wood

1532
00:59:00,560 --> 00:58:57,870
and all the other superstitions for the

1533
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:00,570
think tank coming back on next week's

1534
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,110
show time for another hot cup of lemon

1535
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:06,720
tea and until then this is Richard

1536
00:59:15,770 --> 00:59:09,570
Saunders signing off from Sydney

1537
00:59:20,450 --> 00:59:15,780
Australia you've been listening to the

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00:59:24,290 --> 00:59:20,460
skeptic zone visit our website at www